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	<title>Comments on: Knots and different dimensions</title>
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		<title>By: paulcook</title>
		<link>http://langabi.name/blog/2005/02/10/knots-and-different-dimensions#comment-5896</link>
		<dc:creator>paulcook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's certainly possible that we could observe the effects of additional dimensions, by for example observing the formation of black holes at lower energies than one would naively expect in particle accelerators.

However, I can't think how this could lead to causality-violating effects like time travel or anything else -- which would seem to be necessary if you were trying to show that deja-vu was anything more than a purely cognitive phenomenon. So no, there's no-one working on these things!

Also, your caps-lock key seems a little broken. Thanks for the comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s certainly possible that we could observe the effects of additional dimensions, by for example observing the formation of black holes at lower energies than one would naively expect in particle accelerators.</p>
<p>However, I can&#8217;t think how this could lead to causality-violating effects like time travel or anything else &#8212; which would seem to be necessary if you were trying to show that deja-vu was anything more than a purely cognitive phenomenon. So no, there&#8217;s no-one working on these things!</p>
<p>Also, your caps-lock key seems a little broken. Thanks for the comment!</p>
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		<title>By: patricia saul martin</title>
		<link>http://langabi.name/blog/2005/02/10/knots-and-different-dimensions#comment-5893</link>
		<dc:creator>patricia saul martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>have you ever been out on a hot summer day and found yourself suddenly in the midst of a dust devil?SOME ARE LARGE ENOUGH TO PACK A SMALL PUNCH. WELL,WHAT IF SOMEHOW THERE ARE SPACIAL' DEMENSIONAL ,CHANGES AOURND US ,AND JUST LIKE PHYSICAL ATMOSPHERICAL CHANGES CAN CAUSE CHANGES THAT WE CAN MEASURE AND OBSERVE,THERE ARE CHANGES IN TIME AND SPACE AND DEMENSIONS THAT WE HAVE NOT YET LEARNED TO INTERPRET OR OBSERVE ,BUT HAVE SYMPTONS LIKE DEJAVU,OR MEETING SOMEONE THAT YOU INSTANTLY KNOW ,BUT KNOW THAT YOU COULD NOT HAVE EVER MET THAT PERSON IN THE COURSE OF THE LIFE THAT YOU RECALL?IS THERE ANYONE DOING STUDIES ON THESE THEORIES?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have you ever been out on a hot summer day and found yourself suddenly in the midst of a dust devil?SOME ARE LARGE ENOUGH TO PACK A SMALL PUNCH. WELL,WHAT IF SOMEHOW THERE ARE SPACIAL&#8217; DEMENSIONAL ,CHANGES AOURND US ,AND JUST LIKE PHYSICAL ATMOSPHERICAL CHANGES CAN CAUSE CHANGES THAT WE CAN MEASURE AND OBSERVE,THERE ARE CHANGES IN TIME AND SPACE AND DEMENSIONS THAT WE HAVE NOT YET LEARNED TO INTERPRET OR OBSERVE ,BUT HAVE SYMPTONS LIKE DEJAVU,OR MEETING SOMEONE THAT YOU INSTANTLY KNOW ,BUT KNOW THAT YOU COULD NOT HAVE EVER MET THAT PERSON IN THE COURSE OF THE LIFE THAT YOU RECALL?IS THERE ANYONE DOING STUDIES ON THESE THEORIES?</p>
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		<title>By: Langabi.name Blog  &#187; Lines, intersections and dimensions</title>
		<link>http://langabi.name/blog/2005/02/10/knots-and-different-dimensions#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Langabi.name Blog  &#187; Lines, intersections and dimensions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2005 06:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] der: 	Physics &#8212; paulcook @ 11:00 pm 	 	 			Building on the interest in my post on knots and different dimensions, I thought I&#8217;d say a few words on some in [...]</description>
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<p> 			Building on the interest in my post on knots and different dimensions, I thought I&#8217;d say a few words on some in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: paulcook</title>
		<link>http://langabi.name/blog/2005/02/10/knots-and-different-dimensions#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>paulcook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I'm pleased you enjoyed it!

I must actually confess, I've not done any research on the topic, but this is what I think: one can show (unless I'm missing something subtle) that a plane is indeed the solution to my problem. One can visualise it as a string in 3 dimensions, extended infinitely in the "time" direction (but it's still a spacial direction we're visualising as time, so that permutations of the knot are made simultaneously at all points along the "time" spacial direction). Then my untying trick won't work.


And that is also, I believe, a proof of the Cook conjecture you offer above. Treat the first three dimensions as though they were a normal string being tied in 3 spacial directions. Then treat all subsequent dimensions as dimensions of infinite extension of the "string", so that they can't be used to untie anything -- the knot exists at all points in those directions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I&#8217;m pleased you enjoyed it!</p>
<p>I must actually confess, I&#8217;ve not done any research on the topic, but this is what I think: one can show (unless I&#8217;m missing something subtle) that a plane is indeed the solution to my problem. One can visualise it as a string in 3 dimensions, extended infinitely in the &#8220;time&#8221; direction (but it&#8217;s still a spacial direction we&#8217;re visualising as time, so that permutations of the knot are made simultaneously at all points along the &#8220;time&#8221; spacial direction). Then my untying trick won&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>And that is also, I believe, a proof of the Cook conjecture you offer above. Treat the first three dimensions as though they were a normal string being tied in 3 spacial directions. Then treat all subsequent dimensions as dimensions of infinite extension of the &#8220;string&#8221;, so that they can&#8217;t be used to untie anything &#8212; the knot exists at all points in those directions.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Cook</title>
		<link>http://langabi.name/blog/2005/02/10/knots-and-different-dimensions#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice problem to think about. I don't know about the string, but my mind certainly feels pretzel-shaped now. Interesting thought - all the four dimensions should be equivalent, so you should be able to visualise any one of them as time and the other three as as spatial. If you take a three dimensional knot then, add a dimension, and then choose a different three dimensions as spatial, then I guess in general it wouldn't even look like a knot. 

From your explanation of how to untie a four dimensional knot, an object that couldn't be untied in that way would be a three dimensional string that is there for all time. This forms a two dimensional plane in four dimensions. Is this a general pattern - in N dimensions you can knot only N-2 dimensional objects? Seems like it should be true, but I wouldn't know how to prove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice problem to think about. I don&#8217;t know about the string, but my mind certainly feels pretzel-shaped now. Interesting thought - all the four dimensions should be equivalent, so you should be able to visualise any one of them as time and the other three as as spatial. If you take a three dimensional knot then, add a dimension, and then choose a different three dimensions as spatial, then I guess in general it wouldn&#8217;t even look like a knot. </p>
<p>From your explanation of how to untie a four dimensional knot, an object that couldn&#8217;t be untied in that way would be a three dimensional string that is there for all time. This forms a two dimensional plane in four dimensions. Is this a general pattern - in N dimensions you can knot only N-2 dimensional objects? Seems like it should be true, but I wouldn&#8217;t know how to prove it.</p>
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		<title>By: MDA</title>
		<link>http://langabi.name/blog/2005/02/10/knots-and-different-dimensions#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>MDA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe if we embedded Togo in four dimensions, stuck a few crosscaps on it in choice places and pulled it back into three space, we could invert the members of the junta  thereby making it completely impossible for them to function in a right-handed coordinate frame.  Retaking the capital would be easy after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe if we embedded Togo in four dimensions, stuck a few crosscaps on it in choice places and pulled it back into three space, we could invert the members of the junta  thereby making it completely impossible for them to function in a right-handed coordinate frame.  Retaking the capital would be easy after that.</p>
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		<title>By: holly</title>
		<link>http://langabi.name/blog/2005/02/10/knots-and-different-dimensions#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the spacial dimension of knots and the unrest in togo...paul, you sure write about interesting stuff.  i don't know anyone else on the planet who devotes their blog postings such subjects.  it is fabulous.  what can i say? i'm happy to have cool neighbors.  if i need help tying knots or tips on how to overthrow a government, i know where to go!!!

peace.
holly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the spacial dimension of knots and the unrest in togo&#8230;paul, you sure write about interesting stuff.  i don&#8217;t know anyone else on the planet who devotes their blog postings such subjects.  it is fabulous.  what can i say? i&#8217;m happy to have cool neighbors.  if i need help tying knots or tips on how to overthrow a government, i know where to go!!!</p>
<p>peace.<br />
holly</p>
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